Listening to schoenberg now.

He is still using all the theoretical guidelines(i hate calling them rules) of melody. Including those of dischord.

Also please notice that schoenberg is reading...Which means he isnt just making up a bunch of licks mumbo
jumbo, but he has structure to his pieces. I can hear the dischord, but its not dissonant. The difference i hear
is like someone arguing that a third and 11th can be used in a 11th chord. It just doesnt sound right.

As i said earlier, it does nothing for my ear. And thats what ill say.. Im not knocking his speed, and i would
be calling mick barr sensational if he used every technique in relation to a melodic motif.

I myself was not intending to push any of my views down anyone;s throat as well. I just found this a great
example of speed triumphing over melody.

As i said, i list Greg Howe as an example, only because he is someone who has impressed me lately with both
virtuostic technique applied to melody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edVbz_uXJd0

Take notic of the whole song, and check some of the speed playing towards the end. Yeah its super fast playing
and its in relation to melody. This is why i find someone like greg howe a genius, and i say that mick has great technique
just seems to me like he doesnt use it in a melodic sense.

Cheers,
Chris

I think you are most DEFINITELY in the right place if you have come to explore your instrument and expand your mind.

I think everyone here like Adam, FRakh, and most of the guys I know, are very much into breaking boundaries and exploring music...not just guitar. We talk technique a lot because that is the engine we need to build to put in the car to drive down the musical road.

Mick Barr is a very interesting guitarist and quite a good one. He too seems to be interested in the art of music.

To say he is just making noise is, well, ridiculous.

Is The Rite Of Spring noise? Is Varese noise? Is Stockhausen noise? Is Coltrane noise?

Schoenberg is reading? I don't get that.

Schoenberg is not dissonant? Schoenberg invented atonal music. His atonal period is extremely dissonant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc238PnGa3I

Pierrot Lunaire...one of my all time favorite pieces of music ever written. Atonal, but before the 12 tone period.

This is what I want to do on guitar

Hell...
I can do better than the crown...I can put on the original BUCKET!!!!

lol...

FraKh beats ALL.

Sweet vid Chris thanks, this is exactly the type of musical ability that I aspire to attain! BTW I believe the discussion around Mike Barr gravitates toward his composition style, no doubt he is fast but his musical context is unique.

Rob

There! I think we ALL can agree on "Unique."

I dug the Mick Barr video. Since I have been listening to jazz for 40+ years, I have no problem in hearing the "melodic," content. As far as the Howe "sunny" thing, I do not dig it. I do not think the tone works for that tune, & that LA commercial fusion style, just not interesting to me. I could listen to Barr, the Howe thing was actually not working for me. Just my opinion.

Hmmn. I sure do think that the guy has some really serious technical ability. The musical piece? ummm Not my cup of tea really. I like parts of it, and I have nothing but respect for this guy's skill. All I can say.

Are people paying to see this guy?

That's always the bottom line. Play what the people want. If they want to see country, jazz, rock, etc... then they will go see it. You figure, most people are stuck at a job they don't like. They want to be entertained and have fun. If someone is having fun by watching this guy thats all that really matters.

Me personally, this guy isn't my thing. I wouldn't pay to see him. But, I would pay to see Ed Bickert or Allan Holdsworth. But, some guys who play really fast don't interest me very much. Like Bireli Lagrene for example. An incredibly fast guitarist. Very clean. But, just doesn't speak to me at all.

hahah Oh sure, if he was in town I'd pay 10-20 bucks cover charge, just to see what he can do; there are a LOT of really bad bands in my area who can't play very well who charge a cover and seem to do fine. lol I'd definitely pay to see Birelli, love that guy's stuff!

$10-20 bucks.... try like $100 plus. When Chick Corea came to town a few years back it was $100 to see him play solo piano. Dude, I can't afford that. I think when ZZTop came last year the bleeders were going for $80. Back in the 80's I remember seeing Clapton with Mark Knopfler for only $20. Buddy, I wish tickets would be only $10-20 bucks.... I'd need a time machine to pay those prices.... LOL.... don't get me started about scoring some hockey tickets to see the Leafs play... its crazy...

hahah Nope. I wouldn't pay a hundred bucks for someone unless they were top tier. Frank Gambale, Steve Morse, Al Dimeola, John Petrucci, or someone like that...

I'd pay, ummm 35 bucks to see this guy play. No offence, It's just what I'd pay.

The leafs? People will actually PAY to see them play? Is that like that weird Edmonton condition and the oilers? hahahahaha

LOL! Yeah... It's def a strange condition

:D