Question on major scale and the 6th relative
Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:03 pm
by acosta_rodrigo • 13 Posts
Hi, I have a question and I have been trying to find an answer with no success yet.
I know the CAGED 5 position system and I'm starting with the natural minor scale.
I have read that for every major scale you have the relative minor scale on the 6th degree (I can explain it better in spanish :-))
Shouldn't the positions on the guitar in the minor scale be the same as the major scale but moved over the freats? If I look in the "5 Position (CAGED) System - LARGE" pdf file, they are not the same.
hope this is not a too stupid questions...
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:01 am
by deltadiscos • 310 Posts
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:36 pm
by pebberbrown • 876 Posts
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:10 am
by ferretwraith • 14 Posts
Are you talking about this page?
If you play the major scale with the position 1 pattern from that sheet, starting with the circled 1 on G, you will be playing G major. If you do not shift that position AT ALL, you could also say you are playing in E minor, in which case the scale would be starting from the number 6.
The minor pattern down lower on the page is the shape that you would use if you kept your starting note in the same spot and wanted to play in G minor. Moving the whole first shape to start on E would have you playing in E major.
http://pbguitarstudio.com/pdf_files/GUIT...system_mod3.pdf Shows all of the notes in both G major and E minor.
If you already knew all that, and there is just some sort of translation issue, my guess would be that you do not understand the purpose of the position systems. The positions are intended to teach your mind, ears, and hands to be comfortable playing the scales up and down the neck, regardless of where your hand is located.
They do not define the notes of the scale. You could add new patterns with some dramatic slides and call it a 17 position system if you so desired. You should never avoid hitting a note you want to hear because "it's not in the position" you are playing in.
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:56 am
by deltadiscos • 310 Posts
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:30 pm
by Tsonic Tsunami • 27 Posts
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Tue May 22, 2012 6:27 am
by John567 • 156 Posts
I'm fairly new to the forums and have only followed Pebber's stuff for a short time. Pebber uses a lot of different fingering solutions. I use one system based directly on the roman numeral analysis of the major scale. I had a guitar teacher out of Toronto show me it in my first year college class (his name is Rob Bulger). Here's the "Aeolian" Position in C Major (which would be the 6th degree of the major scale and called "A Aeolian"):
A Aeolian.jpg - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
This would be the aeolian position or the 6th position. You can see the position starts on the "A" on the 6th string. There are positions for each of the 7 modes. They all have generic left hand fingerings and arpeggios that go with them. I like them because they are quite simple. You think of a mode and a position pops up right away. Overtime, I was able to see the modes regardless of what finger position I was in.
Now that I have Pebber's DVD on right hand picking techniques, I've incorporated it into my daily practice routine with these fingerings. I wish I had Pebber's picking insights years ago. I feel like I'm starting all over again. Anyway, I hope this helps.
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Tue May 22, 2012 6:32 pm
by uderoche (deleted)
If the chord you are playing over is A minor and you wanted to use A Aeolian mode, you can still use a C major pattern. The modes shift the whole step/half step pattern around. Everything is based upon the W W H W(tie) W W H major scale (Ionian Mode). Everything is a rearranging or modifying of this whole step/half step relationship.
C major and A Aeolian have the exact same notes. C major and D Dorian have the exact same notes. C major and E Phrygian have the exact same notes. But, it's the change in the whole step/half step relationship that changes the "tonal gravity" of the scale.
In other words, if the chord is A minor, use a C major fingering but change your thinking from "C MAJOR SOUNDS" to "A MINOR SOUNDS."
To do this properly, you have to experiment with these sounds over the chords they generally are attached to. (Pebber's backing tracks come in very handy for this.) Now, the gravity PULLS towards A. The W/H pattern has changed. The phrases must change to adapt to this new harmonic push and pull but the notes are the same.
When Pebber teaches you the position systems, you ARE learning the modes as well. Because it's the same thing. But, depending on the chord you are playing over, you have to change your thought of the SOUND.
C Major/A Aeolian. Same notes, but different W/H relationship results in new tonal gravity over chord.
Hope this helps.
RE: Question on major scale and the 6th relativein PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Wed May 23, 2012 1:58 am
by deltadiscos • 310 Posts