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how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:11 am
by Blayze • 32 Posts

I have been working on the alternate picking thing for several hours a day for a couple years now and just do not feel like I am improving. I must be doing something wrong. Here are two fairly recent videos of my playing that have some 'fast' picking stuff in them(a funk songs, and a metal song in 7/4). What can I do to fix or better my playing? What or how can I practice to improve?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFRY-Ff3 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcb1LuQE4kg
My routine consists of single string picking(16ths and sextuplets)at various tempos, the Paul Gilbert lick at various tempos, sequences and scales, and some various exercises(steve morse stuff, licks from songs like Trilogy Suite, Sacrified, Technical difficulties). I just wanna know what I can do make my practice more effective and get results...Thanks guys!!!

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RE: how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:58 am
by jimiclaptoncarl • 117 Posts

Well, it looks like you've got picking down, far more than I have.. the only thing that makes you improve is constant practice...

I'm curious, what bpm are you at for 16ths on 1 string? Figure out your fastest comfortable tempo(where you make no mistakes) and then have a goal like 10bpm above that. Spend 30min on that and then each day increase bpm by 1, in 10 days you should have increased your bpm.. that's how I've been doing it..

And I've found that you need to train your weakest hand whatever it may be(my left), in order to synchronize both hands, that's why I've mainly been working on my left hand..cause it's far behind my right.


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Practice not just until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.

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RE: how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:40 am
by pebberbrown • 876 Posts

DONT be concerned with BPM at all. Everyone mistakes that for skill level so thats what they try for endlessly and they will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SUCK. Download Matrix of Ratios from my website and use that instead - its an entirely new world.

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RE: how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:54 pm
by jimiclaptoncarl • 117 Posts

Zitat von pebberbrown
DONT be concerned with BPM at all. Everyone mistakes that for skill level so thats what they try for endlessly and they will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SUCK.



Ouch! Must fix that immediately...

I can't play 16th notes at 140BPM, I've been practicing working my way up by increasing the BPM slightly each few days or so...

So Pebber, then we should just pick a bpm(like 72BPM) and stick with that and do all the subdivisions instead?

So in order to see if you are progessing, you see how many subdivions you can do?


"Let's face it, you SUCK; now what are you going to do about it?" - Dick Grove

Practice not just until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.

Stay fit and eat healthy; die anyways. :p

MY GEAR:
Epiphone 2007 Les Paul Standard
Ibanez AEF30E Acoustic/Electric
Fender 2008 MIM Stratocaster
Line 6 Spider ll 30watt
Epiphone Studio 10s 19watt
Digitech RP300A

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RE: how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:17 pm
by pebberbrown • 876 Posts

JUST PLAY AT 60 and do 1/4 notes, 8ths, triplets, 16th's, 5/8ths, 6/8ths, 7/8ths and then 8/8ths (32nd notes)
32nd notes at 72 is considered by almost all Jazz soloists as a fast tempo to solo at.
let me see a video of you doing 5/8's and 7/8's at 60bpm. Do that. Just that. Can you handle it?
It will tell you right away how deep music really is and all this speed shit is just an endless spin.

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RE: how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:45 pm
by walleyedave • 37 Posts

I am by no means an incredibly fast picker, but I have friends who play accurate at unreal speeds! But everything they play sounds like musical masturbation, and self indulgent gibberish. Ask them to write a good riff that someone could sing along with, or even remember, and they would be s o l ! But god damn, they can rip yer ears off and blow kids minds at the guitar store. I read an article by Lindsi Buckingham once where he said, and ive heard this before by many famous guitar players, that the most effective thing live they can do, the one thing that ALWAYS makes the audience go crazy, is to pick ONE NOTE, and vibrato the living shit out of for a long time. ONE NOTE. I try to live by this in my guitar playing. How many people can sing a david gilmour solo along with te song in their head??? MILLIONS! and its not the speed, its the notes, the feel, the soul. Speed for thesake of being fast is a white elephant. I think it can hold anyone back. This is just my opinion, and i'm just as stupid and opinionated as EVERYBODY on this earth. The right note can do everything in music, It can make a song, create a feeling, save the world, and get you laid!! well, maybe not the last part!

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RE: how to improve my picking?

in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:14 pm
by GuitarC • 3 Posts

I agree with you walleyedave that fast guitar without any melody is not appealing when being sold as impressive lol. Practice is another animal and it does not matter then if playing is not musical. We have probably all heard lots of guitarists play fast but out of key in the context of a song. It always get the same feeling I get when I hear nails scraping hard on a chalk board. As guitarists we sometimes spend so much time trying to attain faster and faster picking speeds but music is not a speed or racing sport in which the fastest win, music is an art form. Playing fast and picking fast are just tools that we can use to express ourselves. Speed or picking every note is guitarist's tool like phrasing, vibrato, muting, sliding, legato and bending are tools. It's funny how one of the biggest traps we sometimes fall into as guitarists is devoting so much time trying to improve our speed. We also admire, respect, listen to and sometimes try to find guitarists that we feel have attained what we think are admirable technical abilities. The same can be said for drums and bass and a few other instruments. However, can you imagine how strange it would be to dedicate yourself to hours of practice trying to get faster on trumpet or tuba or trying to paint oil paintings faster and faster? Yes, I know there are probably fast painters and fast trumpet and tuba players but they are not as common as we see with the popularity of fast guitar playing. All it takes is a search on youtube and anyone can realize this. Add to this the fact that most guitarists don't even play scales or know how to let alone care about picking speed and to add insult to injury a smaller percentage of music listeners are actually guitarists! It becomes very apparent that an incredibly small percentage of the population could care less about a guitarist's picking technique! Most liteners are either clueless as to what picking every note means or they could care less even if they knew. These people I am talking about love music! When I think about the mainstream music lover who doesn't play an instrument that likes music like Dave Mathews, Martina McBride, Pink, Colbie Callet, Jason Mraz or 3 Doors Down it only gets worse. Our obsession with trying to increase our picking speed is probably about as common to the average person as a baseball pitcher who is obsessed making sure they have one of the fastest fastballs out there and spends hours a day concentrating his practice on kinetic video study, drills and techniques to increase his throwing speed. Sure, there are pitchers that have a goal to be one of the fastest pitchers, but there are many great pitchers who work on being well rounded or concentrate a little time on their off speed pitch or curve ball. Most average fans watching in the stands or on Tv are watching a baseball game to see their team win just like music lovers watch and listen to artists playing songs they like. With all that being said I am very guilty of liking many fast guitarists and always looking to improve left and right hand speed in my playing LOL. I need to remind myself why I play the guitar in the first place! Thinking these analogies helps me keep my musical goals in perspective. If you want a real wake up call ask a non-guitarist friend, family member, neighbor or stranger what their thoughts are about a guitarist picking every note as fast as possible means to them, LOL. If your main goal is to aspire to be the fastest picker you possibly can become, what I have said here is just babble.

There were many guitarists who blew me away with their picking speed when I first began to appreciate fast picking in rock guitar. One of the first that left a huge impression was Gary Moore when I saw him back in the mid 80's. Then I found Akira Takasaki and RonniLe Tekro. After that Yngwie came out and then Vinnie Moore, Paul Gilbert and Tony Macalpine. I remember hearing the solo to Tony's "Empire In The Sky" and it really caught my attention. I thought it had so much feeling and felt the song took me on a journey like I think good music does. During the solo, I heard an extension of the song's story as if words were being spoken by Tony's phrasing and note and speed choices. Tony used very fast passages in the solos to help tell a story and every time I hear that song it reminds me of why I love playing guitar and listening to music. I think the song itself is very powerful and the title is a perfect fit. As I listen to the song I feel it portrays a sense of overcoming, accomplishment or winning. I think the outro solo is great too. I listened to it a lot after the 9/11 attacks and it always gives me a sense of encouragement and honor for being an American. If you have never heard "Empire In The Sky" or want to hear it again here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1erDrcEkGs

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